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So how do you like your kid being taught (forced) because I doubt anyone ask anyone with half an opinion at the school, to do another countries pledge to their flag?? Well hum I think that is pretty good, to poop on!

In the article below one ass hat is quoted “We study different cultures, that’s part of the educational process,” Dornburg said. “And we do do a pledge to the American and the

Texas

flag every morning.”

Hey, I got an idea, how about you’re fired! I know about a shit ton of retired Marines that should be the principle there and I think they might have a different view on your study of “different cultures” bub!

Why don’t you pledge allegiance to the Taliban next? OR how about

Russia

? What you don’t like that? Why, they are cultures, right? 

Our little warriors around the states cant say the Pledge of Allegiance for the country they live in but these jokes want to force another countries pledge down their throat.  I bet next week is GAYPRIDE week.  WTF?

Listen in here to the radio station that covered this.

Radio show helps fuel flag controversy


Published September 20, 2006

FREEPORT — Velasco Elementary School’s principal said he has been taken aback by a controversy that has arisen from his campus’ Mexican Independence Day celebration, and he apologizes for offending parents.

During a short school assembly Friday, several parent volunteers read a pledge of allegiance to the Mexican flag. Since a parent complained on the Chris Baker show on NewsRadio 740 KTRH that afternoon, the issue has become a focal point of some Houston talk radio shows.

“It’s been overwhelming,” said longtime Principal Sam Williams. “It’s been a real trying ordeal and all I can say is I deeply apologize if anyone was offended by it — and I can see that they are.”

In hindsight, he said, the program should have been presented differently.

“If I had it to do all over again, we would revamp it,” Williams said. “There’s no way that we would repeat it.”

Velasco Elementary has 635 students in prekindergarten through fourth grade, 65 percent of whom are Hispanic. Williams, who is black, has served as principal of the school for 18 years.

“We have stated in our mission statement that we are a campus that is a beacon of hope for a culturally diverse population,” Williams said.

At about 10 a.m. Friday, students and parents gathered in the gym for an assembly commemorating Diez y Seis de Septiembre, Sept. 16, when Mexico celebrates its independence from Spain. The school’s bilingual classes from different grade levels performed songs, Williams said.Everyone was given a small Mexican flag and a group of six or seven parents recited the pledge from a script, Williams said. The students did not recite it, he said.

“My students don’t even know the Mexican pledge,” Williams said. “In the minds of my little kids here at the elementary school … they were simply holding a flag.”

He said the audience did stand as a sign of respect because that is the custom with which students are familiar.

“What we normally do is we stand for any pledge that’s given,” he said. “They can only relate to the U.S. pledge and the Texas pledge.”

Baker continued talking about the incident during his radio show Tuesday afternoon. He criticized the principal for allowing anyone to recite a pledge to the Mexican flag in the midst of a national debate over illegal immigration. He also called for the principal’s demotion.

“To blow it off as quote-unquote ‘historical teaching methods’ either shows complete arrogance or a lack of the ability to grasp the seriousness of the illegal immigration issue to Americans,” Baker said at the beginning of his show.

The audio of Baker’s broadcast is stored online at www.ktrh.com. According to the recording, on Friday a woman who said her name was Amy called in about the assembly at her daughter’s school. She claimed everyone there was asked to pledge allegiance to the Mexican flag.

“Where is the sensitivity to the country and to the troops and the men and women that have fought and died for this country?” she said.

The woman said her husband served three tours of duty in Vietnam and she has a son in the war now.

“We absolutely refuse to stand up and pledge allegiance to another country’s flag,” she said.

Williams said he was “devastated” that the parent who objected to the program called a radio show rather than approaching him with her concern.

“I would have graciously visited with that parent and explained on-site what the intent was,” he said. “I would have been open — I still remain open — to the parent or the parents that were in attendance for the presentation on Sept. 15, to explain.”

Brazosport ISD spokesman Stuart Dornburg pointed out that Sept. 15 through Oct. 15 is considered national Hispanic Heritage Month and Velasco’s assembly was a cultural educational activity. The district values and respects diversity, he said.

“We study different cultures, that’s part of the educational process,” Dornburg said. “And we do do a pledge to the American and the Texas flag every morning.”

Comments

  1. To be honest, I (respectfully) disagree with the way this has been blown way out of proportion. If reciting the pledge was done as part of what was clearly a one-time cultural commemoration event, and nobody forced any of the kids to say it, why the uproar? I could understand the outrage if, say, the school hung the Mexican flag instead of the American flag in every classroom and forced every kid to pledge to it in Spanish every morning with their hands over their hearts. That would be a problem.
    Come to think of it, when I was in elementary, we did that kind of “cultural diversity” stuff frequently and it didn’t hurt anybody. For example, we sampled German food, learned to count to ten in French, etc. Another thing: I actually agree with the principal that the parent should have handled it through him, or the proper channels with the school district, instead of calling up a radio talk show (especially since she didn’t have her facts right.)
    Just had to put in my .02 🙂 I do volunteer work with a man who is very liberal, and unfortunately this kind of stuff gives him wonderful ammunition to deride conservatives!

  2. I find your column sometimes hard to understand. Are you bitching because we here in the great AMERICAN state of TEXAS pledge allegiance to our country first and to our state second?
    I certainly understand and agree pledging to another country is treason – shoot the idiots!
    But if you’re raggin’ on us for pledging to our state – you’re off my RSS list.
    Dave

  3. I don’t think there is anything wrong with pledging to Texas or any state is in U.S. as well as pledging to the U.S.I don’t feel we have to agree with everything a blogger says and does to find it interesting even if once in a while we get P.O.d. Thank you for your service, Major Pain and Dave A. But having the children say a pledge to another country is a whole other matter. It is repugnant. Children don’t feel they have a choice even if they are told they have one. The little kids may or may not have understood what was going on but I know from subbing that 1st graders and above were more likely confused and the older ones, even in elementary school, likely knew it was wrong. What mixed messages for them. There is a huge difference between learning about another culture by eating food and learning geography or another language.But saying the pledge of another country is traitorous. I don’t sympathize with the principal’s chain of command complaint on this one for sure.He doesn’t deserve that respect in this situation.

  4. I “Don’t mess with Texas”!! I have family there myself and would put a marine base there bigger than Camp Pendleton if it were up to me. I just have a red ass over a bunch of parents coming into a school, pledging to another country and cramming it down some poor kids throat without them even knowing the heritage of their own country first.

  5. Along with all the other PC bullshit that has mind-numbingly become part of our daily culture, what PO’s me the most is the unwillingness to apologize for an action. This principal is sorry people were offended, not sorry that HE allowed such an offensive act to occur. And it did. I agree with Major B – once our citizens (kids) learn and appreciate our OWN history and American culture, THEN we’ll teach ’em how to sing the French national anthem and how Mexico honors its flag.

  6. I actually heard about this before reading your post. For the record, I have NO problem with pledging allegiance to our country and state. I do however, have a problem with pledging allegiance to any other country, especially while making use of the very things provided by ours. To provide FOREIGN flags and to say our pledge in a FOREIGN language is inexcusable, most especially in an elementary school. I also question who paid for all the Mexican flags provided. Sorry, but sampling foreign foods or studying a language cannot be compared to this. I would not have taken my complaint to the Principal in question either. Reasoning? If I have to explain my problem with this program, he will never get it anyway.

  7. It bothers me that something like a pledge is taken so lightly. Children should not be part of pledging their allegience to another country in our schools, even for a celebration of diversity. A pledge to a flag is not a multi cultural event, not the same as sampling a country’s cusine, and the principal was really wrong in having that sort of event at the assembly.

  8. Ah yea diversity training. It is never bad to learn about other countries and cultures.
    However there is a major difference between eating tacos or sushi or whatever and observing clothing worn in other countries, and reciting their pledge of allegiance.
    The key operative phrase here is “Pledge of Allegiance”
    Al-le-giance 1. The obligation or a feudal vassal to his liege lord. 2. The fidelity owed by a subject to a sovereign or government. 3. The obligation of an alien to the government under which the alien resides. 4. Devotion or loyalty to a person, group, or cause.
    Words mean stuff. There is a major difference between wearing a sombrero and eating a taco, and being (in essence) forced en mass to pledge allegiance to a foreign government or country.
    The Major is correct in his objection.
    Barking Moonbats hide behind diversity to undermine traditional values. They use the courts and the ACLU. It’s called creeping incrementalism. In essence it’s how you cook a frog. Place the frog in cold water on the stove then turn on the heat. The heat increases gradually. The frog doesn’t notice till it’s too late. Same thing with this stuff.

  9. What we say, what we do – counts; make that double for events where the babies observe us. Tend to agreed with “Jim B” that words mean stuff. I enjoy diversity, I like inclusion, I appreciate celebration too, but much favor solidarity: i.e. stated allegiance to our own that allows the latitude (of our freedoms) to be so. View it as the unifier, believe it makes us whole. I’m in the northern California city of Saint Francis, a exceedingly diverse community where my own English-speaking kids, beginning in kindergarten, became multi-lingual, as well as broadly aware of traditions, foods, holidays of multiple cultures; and here (although parents have the freedom to opt out) the babes learn about all kinds of families, physiology, and public health, throughout their school careers; oh yeah. Early in grammar school, Menorahs, Quanza lights, books of this & that, tannenbaums, flags (yes), Ho-ho-ho and birthday cakes (among many, many other things) are crammed onto end-of-year social displays – yes, in public school. I’m one who believes the general tolerance works BECAUSE the flag (oh yeah, the American one) is explained as the luxurious umbrella we share together and is prominently displayed above it all. The faux pas is not minor; here-here Major.

  10. Major, I wish you could see what I see everyday… your blood would boil!!!! I am a teacher in Houston in a school with a very diverse population, in fact, we have students from over 43 different countries including the good ol’ USA. Last spring when we were at the height of the immigration controversy, a student walked into my classroom with a Mexican flag. I kinda lost it. My family has been in Texas for 8 generations. They fought a revolution just so that flag would no longer fly here. I told him that and told him either the flag goes, or he goes. Never saw another Mexican flag.
    Everyday we say the US pledge and the Texas pledge followed by a moment of silence. This is required by state law. During that moment of silence they may pray (yes, we still do that in Texas), meditate, think about what’s for lunch or whatever. Everyday I see students who stand, put their hand over their heart, BUT do not say the pledge! Why? They “just don’t feel like it.” Well, I kinda lost it again one day. I told them that the flag they face in my classroom flew over Kandahar. It was a very special gift from a very special Soldier, who never asked himself if he “felt like going to Afghanistan.” He went without question or hesitation. It’s stars and stripes are not quite white, but the Afghan dust on that flag makes it even more special. I also told them they were ungrateful and I was sick and tired of them taking a free education for granted. MOST of our kids are very thankful to be here and be new Americans. Most of them proudly say the pledge. Especially the kids from Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan. What gets me are the kids who were born here and so were their parents and grandparents but they won’t say the pledge!! One of these days I’ll probably loose my job for speaking my mind, but that’s okay, I know I’ll always have Major Pain behind me!!

  11. I’m student teaching in a school in Austin. I heard about this on the local morning radio talk show. I agree with you, Major Pain. For those of you who have never heard the Texas Pledge:
    “I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas, one and indivisible.” The school I am in is a majority-minority school: mostly African-American and Hispanic. There are kids in my classroom who are Mexican (either born there, or their parents were – I can’t get into whether or not they are here illegally – we are required to teach them regardless, and it’s not the kids’ fault if they are here illegally…). During the pledge, the class is required (at least by my cooperating teacher) to stand for the pledges. In this school (unlike at least one other school in the district) recites the Pledge of Allegiance first in English, followed by a recitation in Spanish, then the Texas Pledge in English, then Spanish, then the minute of silence (“to think about your day”). Luckily, my cooperating teacher reminds the students about the soldiers who have died for their freedoms. Her husband is a Vietnam vet.

  12. For a couple of hundred years, the people of this ‘melting pot’ we call the USA worked, struggled and fought to become “One Nation under God” as opposed to ‘One continent with people from many different foreign lands who brought-with-the-intent-to-keep their own traditions and language and want to coexist within the same *takes a deep breath* borders.”
    All of this vast multiculturalism undermines all that our forefathers worked so hard to achieve. I also think it serves to further separate us rather than unite us. When you come to live here, speak the language and adopt the customs, just like the millions of immigrants did so many years ago. (All of my great grandparents came from Germany, yet none of my grandparents spoke German because, they said, they were American)
    I don’t mind children learning about other lands, people, customs etc. when in a world cultures or world history class. They should. But I do have a problem with schools focusing so much on other cultures in the average day to day class and celebrating holidays from other countries just as they celebrate American holidays. This is the frog in cold water (though I prefer lobster myself ;)). Saluting foreign flags is next and it goes on from there, as the Texas principal shows, and then there is no pride or allegiance to our own country. The result is no Patriots, and the heart of the nation dies.
    Red, be careful about ‘general tolerance’ because it usually becomes general acceptance. There is a difference, yet it ends up being one in the same.

  13. The Mexican pledge is the real issue in this instance. Not the Texas pledge. I think we need only one. The Pledge to our nation. The pledge should be in English. Period. The only exception I would make is for those who would serve in the armed forces of our country. If Jose wants to fight for citizenship then he deserves it. And Jose has fought well in many conflicts. I think nothing should come before American. If you put a prefix to it then you are not worthy of this country. “I am an American” should be the only answer ever given about who you are if you live here. Keep your ethnic PC crap at home. We all bleed Red. As a Marine recruit recently said “Semper Fi mudderfucker I am going to War”. Kind of sums it up.

  14. Do you ever wonder when and if anyone ever really explained to these children why we say the pledge of allegiance to this country or what it really means to do so? Children are not born knowing this. Was it ever explained to you as a child? There are many children who say it without ever really knowing why. I think that is the real sadness of this story. Had they understood the depth and meaning to it, they would have understood immediately why saying the pledge of Mexico was dishonorable to our country. Why not start by teaching, indepth, about our own pledge and what it means to to speak it and the significance of putting our hands on our hearts while saying it. Headline: Jay Leno special. One hour of interviews where half a million Americans can’t fully recite it let alone explain it. What’s wrong with this picture?? It’s disgusting.

  15. Dear History teacher. History is my passion. I am 50 so you may not understand my mind set. Past history does not change. The truth about History does. As you are a student I would encourage you to pursue the truth in History. You will not find it in Austin textbooks. PC has taken over our rational thinking in Education. We now teach to the test instead of teaching the basics. I pray you will learn the difference between teaching and Social Engineering. My wife teaches in inner city Dallas. She has a Master’s in her expertise. Reading and more. ESL, and LPACK are just part of her routine. The bottom line is to teach kids, control the class room, and make an environment for kids to get excitited about learning. Inner city schools have got to get out of the survive or die mentality mode. Run the druggies out.

  16. It’s up to us, the parents and grandparents and neighbors, to teach children the meaning of the Pledge of Allegiance, to instill in them a feeling of pride for flag and for our soldiers who sacrifice for our freedoms. The big problem in America is all of us leave the full education (including moral lessons) of our youth to teachers, who are often total strangers with opposing beliefs and views to what the we have. These teachers have the kids for most of the day- if parents don’t actively participate to mold their child’s character, the teachers and the school system most certainly will.

  17. Sea Urchin, et all. I’m gonna stick to the ‘general tolerance’ of those many-many I don’t agree with, don’t fit in with, or don’t actually, really-really-don’t enjoy at my table. Because I do pledge to the (US) flag. When they come across the gurney, not gonna ask denomination, secular catagory, gender identification, or which their first language was, just gonna help, and enjoy their smile at the well-worn, much valued, faded flag (yeah, USA) on my civilian coat.

  18. Texasdillo~
    I think you have merged me and History Teacher from Houston into one person. I’m in a 3rd grade class – the first year of the mandatory “high-stakes” TAKS (Texas Assessment of Knowledge and Skills for those of you from not around here…) testing for first-time 3rd graders. The 3rd grade tests cover reading and math, so that is where the majority of instrucational time seems to be going. I’m disappointed to see this. I’m at a low-SES school where many of the kids don’t get the kind of parental support I got as a kid or the kind of support that kids from higher-SES schools get. Beyond the required curriculum specified by the state, AISD also has a specific instructional guideline that teachers in this district are expected to follow – what topics to teach when. These are available for anyone to look at online, but I had to have them explained as to which file I actually needed, and it took a few times of looking at the teachers’ lesson plans to figure out how they work. In taking a closer look at them, they are not properly aligned – cover biography in writing in weeks 5 and 6 of the semester, and cover biography in social studies in weeks 11 and 12. Now, if they had set it up properly, you cover biography in writing and in social studies in the same two weeks – properly teach writing, while utilizing good examples of heros from American history as models to cover the social studies aspect. In my opinion, that would make for better instruction of both the writing and social studies content, and allow for more time to cover other important content. I really hope that more people with my kind of background (Army brat with a true appreciation for what our nation offers, as well as a more than passing interest in history and current events) would go into teaching. I really don’t want to teach in Austin. I have one particular district not too far away where I’d love to teach – and teach the children of the men and women of our Armed Forces.

  19. In addition to the pledge issue, there is another thing that has been overlooked. May I ask WHY, in the name of Stephen F. Austin, are the students celebrating Mexican Independence day in an American school? Yes, I know that the student body is a culturally diverse group of students; and being a border town, the student body is probably, in large part, Mexican….still no excuse. I wonder if American Independence Day (4th of July…for those historically challanged in our group) is celebrated for an entire week at that school?..Hmmm…just wonderin’. As an aside, I’d bet next week’s paycheck that it isn’t. For what it’s worth, Mexican Independence Day is something that should be celebrated outside of school.
    ‘Nuf said.

  20. “shit ton of retired Marines that should be the principle”
    I hope your shit ton of retired Marines are not as stupid as you and are able to spell “principal” correctly.

  21. Krons,
    Ya know, the Major doesn’t need us to defend his spelling or his IQ, but your comment made me reflect on some things. So, I thought of all the emails, letters, and cards I’ve received from those serving far from home. That includes many from the Major while he was deployed, btw. I’m fairly sure that anyone who has supported our troops for any time at all, could tell you how atrocious some of the spelling and grammar can be, and don’t forget colorful! Add those charming qualities to a heavy typing finger and sometimes it can take hours to figure out what they were trying to say. And you know what? None of that mattered. At all. Not even a little. Anytime an email arrived from one of “your guys” you simply breathed a huge sigh of relief to know that one more had checked in, and that they were OK. Few things are more exciting than seeing the words “FREE MAIL” instead of a stamp, and I never cared about the handwriting or punctuation. The day before Thanksgiving, I received a short letter that said “Things have been really busy. Guess by now you know what that means.” Yes, I did know. We didn’t critique his spelling at dinner, we gave Thanks that he was alright. We gave thanks every day to know that with the very limited time they had, they chose to share it with us. Are they stupid? Hell no! In a hurry? You bet. So, to all those bad spellers who are wearing a uniform, Thank You. For everything.

  22. And maybe he was playing on words…using THIS definition:
    A rule or standard, especially of good behavior
    I’m just sayin’….
    Oh, and to the Missy who didn’t leave her name…
    OOOO-RAH!!

  23. I too am a 3rd grade teacher in a large, inner city, south of “The Hood”, south of Austin, west of Houston, South Texas school district. We have been saying the pledges for the American flag (1st) and the Texas (2nd) way before it was mandatory. Yes, we too pray in Texas. I know this because, daily during the “moment of silence” I hear most of my students quietly voicing their thoughts. Mostly they are praying for our Soldiers/Troops in harms way and in the states (one of my student’s mom is on TDY in the states for 2 months. He/she doesn’t have a computer at home, so his mom e-mails him/her at my school account and he/she responds daily. We formaly honor our Veterans in October and May. But daily, we thank our Soldiers/Troops for protecting our freedom and for their service to our country. (It is late Friday afternoon, so my spellin’ may not be so great either. If a Soldier/Troop e-mails, just be thankful that they were able to. Every contact is precious. It lets us know that they are still alive. First,if you can read this in English, thank our military. Second,if you can read this, thank a teacher.) As a campus, we teach our students the meaning of both pledges. I cut and pasted the pledge/meaning here to give our students yet another great example of what our American pledge means. There is a BIG DIFFERENCE in teaching/learning about different cultures, which we do, and reciting a foriegn pledge!!!!! Recieting a foriegn pledge should NEVER happen. If you are in my classroom, you are expected to honor our country PERIOD. My inner city kiddos may not understand exactly how far away “the sandbox” and “the stan” are, but they can jolly-well find them on the map. They know that our Soldiers/Troops are there to protect our freedom. First we are AMERICANS, then TEXANS, we all bleed the same blood, so we are all HUMAN. Nuf said. This is the first that I have hear about this, I can only hope that is was an inexperienced teacher, overwhelmed with all that we have to do, that didn’t understand the overall lesson plan (still no excuse), but for the principal, God help us! There should be a public apology and the students should be taught what our pledge means. A pledge is a promise, I pledge/I promise.
    1st CAV Mom

  24. I agree with the people who have their priorities straight. Communication is communication, if you can understand it, that’s what counts. Picky people spelling-wise are a detriment to people trying to learn English. If they are going to be jumped all-over for making a spelling or speech error. why bother? As far as our troops go, I’d rather have them concentrate on their training and missions (and relaxation when they have a chance) than learning how to spell. It’s besides the point that many don’t have access to a spell checker or a dictionary. If anyone would have the balls to send them a dictionary, give me your email and I would be happy to more personally bitch at you.

  25. The school district I work for was recently criticized for this:
    (CBS4) LAKEWOOD, Colo. A geography teacher was placed on administrative leave for refusing to take down Chinese, Mexican and United Nations flags displayed in his middle school classroom.
    Eric Hamlin, a geography teacher at Carmody Middle School, was told he was suspended for being insubordinate for not taking down the flags which they interpreted as a violation of state law. See full Story http://cbs4denver.com/local/local_story_235214523.html

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